- After parking complaints from locals, a West Side protected lane is being changed to a buffered lane (OnLine)
When Bwana decides that you are better off with your breasts covered and without a nose bone, then that is that. You either comply or his missionaries tell you that your soul is doomed to Hell. Churches in most non-European regions sent out missionaries in the past centuries to do just this kind of teaching. But if you thought the arrogance of Europeans was dead, think again.
These are people who will openly call your neighborhood a “shit hole” and then complain when you fail to take their “advice”. Listen to the tone of some of these arrogant ChainLinkers as they discuss why a protected lane design along West Side street was ultimately rejected:
Reply by Manny Fuentes, 9.2 mi. 4 hours ago
My question is : Did anyone do any research in these areas BEFORE they wasted tax-payer money on putting in these lanes in this area? For instance, did they ask the locals what they would think about these lanes? Did they tell them how it would affect parking, both street side and in the lots for the chucrches/businesses? Any studies done in this area?
I think that the reason that this is going to cost us MORE tax-payer money, is that the area is just against change overall. They don’t want things to change what they have come to know as “normal”. Maybe that is why it has become “underserved”? They don’t wanything to change.
Also, was there enough effort made to “teach” or educate the area residents how to deal or use the new parking schemes? Maybe the confusion is part of their dislike of the new situation?
I”m just throwing out ideas….Maybe we can use these to help out in the future.
Having read this several times I am now better able to understand why someone like me would have been kicked off the ChainLink Forum. There really is no room for a person of color to question the wisdom of Europeans who are here to provide an African-American like myself with the benefits of their wisdom. I guess in hindsight I should have known better than to question my “betters“.
But it gets better:
Reply by John Greenfield 2 hours ago
From the Grid Chicago post, here’s what CDOT Deputy Commissioner Scott Kubly had to say about the issues you bring up:
I called Kubly for his take on what happened with Independence. “We had talked to the alderman about the lanes a year ago and discussed them at several public meetings for the Streets for Cycling Plan 2020, including meetings at Garfield Park and Douglas Park,” he says. “But there were folks who hadn’t been tracking the project who had a number of concerns. I think we will definitely try to engage the local alderman more in the future. All parties could have done a better job of communicating.” He adds that the premature ticketing, likely done by a combination of police and Department of Revenue staff, was also due to crossed wires.
“This has been a good learning experience for us,” Kubly says. “In the future we’ll make sure there’s no ticketing until the lanes are completed. And we’re learning how to better communicate what the changes to the roadway are. We might have temporary signage and put flyers on windshields explaining how to use the floating parking lanes. When we installed the new [two-way protected] bikes lanes on Dearborn it was a reaction to what happened on Independence. We spraypainted ‘parking’ on those parking lanes to make it obvious where to park.”
Noting that the Lawndale residents seemed to view the new configuration as a hassle with no upside for them because they see little demand for bike lanes in the neighborhood, I asked Kubly how CDOT plans to avoid this scenario in the future. “We need to communicate that this is actually a benefit for all users,” he says. “People perceive protected lanes as bike projects but, pure and simple, they’re safety projects. We’re trying to find alternative uses for excess right-of way so we can slow cars and make it safer for everyone.”
Kubly says CDOT plans to make more of an effort to get the word out to community stakeholders about its bike lane proposals, pay more attention to special uses like church parking in the design process, and work harder to educate the public about the function and benefits of the new street layout. “You can turn this into a bad experience or a good experience. We’re choosing to do the latter.”
I know for a fact that many urban cyclists are against the Keystone Pipeline Project. Did any of them ever stop to think about the irony of this reply from a bureaucrat and how much like the “mouthings” of those who must represent Big Business in their efforts to get that project underway. Every group has an agenda that they would prefer to essentially ram down the throats of the “natives”. They arrive with some variant of “I am from the government and I am here to help you.”
What is essential to remember is that whether you are a Liberal or a Conservative there is always someone from your side of the fence who talks this way. They always know better than you what you need and are going to give it to you whether you really want it or not. And sorry Scott Kubly but these are “bike projects“. More importantly they are being introduced to allow Europeans who are traveling from points beyond these communities into the inner city to have “safe passage“.
People in “low income” areas travel by Mass Transit or by automobile. There are few if any bicycle shops in these areas so owning and more importantly maintaining bikes is difficult. But what is really most telling is what folks from the “outside” say about those “safe lanes” you are installing.
Oops! Sorry for the bike lane porn from Steve Vance. But actually this read more like an autopsy photo than anything erotic. How on earth can you say that what you are installing is a “safety project” when out-of-the-box it looks like this? Black people are not stupid. They can see this with their own eyes and know for certain that this is not part of some “safety project“. This my friend is “an accident waiting to happen“.
Some more Liberal blatherings from this thread continue:
Reply by Anne Alt 2-10 2 hours ago
Manny – I was a community outreach volunteer for the Streets for Cycling Plan 2020. In most areas of the city, getting residents to come out, get information and offer their thoughts on the plan was a challenge. There was publicity about the meetings, but most residents did not attend. The plan was developed through input from those who did attend.
I’ve said from the beginning that education and outreach to coincide with the introduction of new lanes would be critical to their success. I think it’s unfortunate that CDOT, aldermen and neighborhood chambers of commerce haven’t done more to get the word out and ensure the success of these changes.
In areas like the west side, we tend to have a “chicken or the egg” dilemma with most new bike lanes. The streets where many of us would like to have them currently don’t get a lot of bike traffic, so non-cyclists in the neighborhoods may not perceive a need for the lanes. Once they’re established (as long as they’re not constantly violated by cars), more cyclists are likely to come.
We’ve had similar issues with some south side bike lanes (such as King Drive). I’m currently pushing for one of the biggies yet to come – Vincennes. Many of us on the far south side could really benefit from having lanes re-established on Vincennes (as well as viaduct repair at 83rd St.). We definitely have a “chicken or the egg” situation there. Bike traffic is low, and there isn’t going to be a significant amount without improvements to make it easier to ride between neighborhoods. For those of us who were involved on the south side, getting those improvements so we could get around easier, as well as encouraging others to ride, was a big motivator.
I applaud those aldermen who have supported the plan. I hope that we can get more buy-in from south and west side aldermen as the route network continues to expand. If you live in a ward where you’re not sure of your alderman’s position on bike routes, speak up. Contact the ward office and let them know that you want bike lanes.
This is a classic case of a European who discovers that the culture into which they have arrived is unconcerned that the women have bare breasts. To the Europeans this is cause for concern because bare breasts will create lust in the hearts of men. And so modesty requires that females breasts be covered.
Once gain for those who are tone deaf on this subject, inner city adults do not travel by bicycle. They do not rent bicycles from stations that require credit cards. If you want a lane through the south or west side so that European riders can have safe passage step up and say so. But please do not express concern that my 80-year old grandmother is not willing to ride a bicycle along a crappy boulevard in the dead of winter. Get real!
Better to listen to the advice of the next responder:
Reply by Tony Adams 6.6 mi 9 minutes ago
This whole thing is particularly frustrating for those of us on the southwest side who still don’t have any kind of bike lanes on most of Archer despite the fact that it does get used by a lot of riders and that there are no viable alternatives due to a tangle of the canal, the interstate, the airport, intermodal facilities and other rail lines.
Reply by Anne Alt 2-10 1 minute ago
Archer and Vincennes are complex ones for the planners. I know that Archer is more complex due to the mix of zoning/property usage.
Does anyone on the planning team have an update about Archer? I know several people who would *love* to see bike lanes there.
Judging from the lousy job done on the Dearborn Street installation I would venture to guess that city planners find every street complex.
Reply by Cameron 7.5 mi 1 hour ago
The way the CDOT schedules meetings makes it very hard for people with day jobs and any moderately long commute to offer input. Consistently holding MBAC meetings at 3:00 means that few commuters will ever attend. The Streets for Cycling Plan 2020 neighboorhood meetings were at 6:00, making them difficult for people who commute out of their neighborhood to get home in time for. I left work early to attend one of the Streets of Cycling Plan meetings and was one of the few Loop office day job commuters there, despite being in a neighborhood full of office job commuters. The meeting I went to was domenited by retired people and stay at home parrents because that’s who was home in the early evening.
Reply by Juan Primo 39 minutes ago
It sounds like Michael Chandler cost the city lots of money by not being consistent with what he supports. If he was a supporter of the plan, then he should have been comfortable with the plan that he is supporting.
The story makes it look like Chandler was supporting something – perhaps something that Rahm is enthusiastic about – and then backed off when he actually bothered to listen to his neighbors that he represents. Having no spine – either to the planners or his neighbors, cost the city (that’s me) $10,000.
Whatever – but this is idiotic:
Perhaps the community is over-served with the $10,000 do-over. It’s just not getting the right service from their Alderman.
Reply by Cameron 7.5 mi 23 minutes ago
Where is this bit of genius design? It almost makes the all over the road path on Elston seem smart by comparison. If/when the handicapped spot doesn’t get renewed would they relocated the bike lane or just leave this one isolated parking spot to confuse people?
Agreed the Alderman seems to have really dropped the ball on this one, unfortunately it doesn’t seem to have harmed him in the least.
Before another inch of protected or buffered bike lane money is spent it would be wise to consider getting people on the ground to verify that the street surfaces are even ready for a treatment. What I have seen of the boulevards where the protected bike lanes have been introduced and in fact ridden over during the most recent Four Star Bike Tour tells me that we are busy trying to look busy rather than thoughtful creating new infrastructure.
When the Active Transportation Alliance routes a ride through Logan Square where the bike lane pavement is so deteriorated that I had to leave the protected bike lane and use the car lanes to avoid cracking a rim, then things are really sad. Who the heck is managing this clusterf*ck?
This is not a situation where there are isolated failures it is systematic. Somebody is not thinking things through and having folks serve as shills on the ChainLink Forum with all their finger-pointing at the residents for failing to come out to learn about a project in which they have no interest is naive. Stop exporting your religion to the natives of countries where you are uninvited. Fix your own problems first.
At least have the good graces to admit that as of now you appear not to know the first thing about installing bike lanes. Maybe we should get a crew over from Copenhagen to run things? Let’s get some real Europeans in perhaps they can fix the mess that the pseudo-Europeans from the far North and far South sides are trying to foist on everyone else for their convenience while trying to convince the inner city residents that this is being done for them and not the interlopers.